dixie
07-22 01:22 PM
You will never be as good!!!
Life is different, if you are not a tourist. Try working with them day in day out. And I m talking about Toronto.
Experiences of friends says - blue collar, jobs that Canadian do not want to do you, you are more than welcome.
But dont ever try to get a White collar job... And if you want to - work as Software engineer - and forget of any career development....
Again -
http://www.notcanada.com
http://www.canadaimmigrants.com
My company has offices in both canada(toronto and vancouver) and US .. i have worked for extended periods of time in canada. I agree that career development opps are limited due to economic reasons, but there is no way toronto or vancouver is any more racist than atlanta or miami. Who said there is no discrimination against white collar workers in the US as well .. if not how do you explain so many people supporting illegal aliens, but nobody breathing a word about us ? Lets face it , the corporates here need us but many native born white collar workers actively hate us. Thats how you have so much opposition to H1-B and EB visas from the likes of programmer's guild and other labor unions.
Life is different, if you are not a tourist. Try working with them day in day out. And I m talking about Toronto.
Experiences of friends says - blue collar, jobs that Canadian do not want to do you, you are more than welcome.
But dont ever try to get a White collar job... And if you want to - work as Software engineer - and forget of any career development....
Again -
http://www.notcanada.com
http://www.canadaimmigrants.com
My company has offices in both canada(toronto and vancouver) and US .. i have worked for extended periods of time in canada. I agree that career development opps are limited due to economic reasons, but there is no way toronto or vancouver is any more racist than atlanta or miami. Who said there is no discrimination against white collar workers in the US as well .. if not how do you explain so many people supporting illegal aliens, but nobody breathing a word about us ? Lets face it , the corporates here need us but many native born white collar workers actively hate us. Thats how you have so much opposition to H1-B and EB visas from the likes of programmer's guild and other labor unions.
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06-19 10:46 AM
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wrldnw4me
02-24 01:03 PM
Did my part..
Thanks for all your work.
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chintu25
03-27 09:32 AM
I see no harm in such a thread.......... Umeed pe duniya kayam hai dost ........
We can try our best in supporting all efforts but whats the harm to look/predict the bulletin.
Dint the USCIS "intelligently" grant most of us here EADs in July 2007 bulletin .:p
We can try our best in supporting all efforts but whats the harm to look/predict the bulletin.
Dint the USCIS "intelligently" grant most of us here EADs in July 2007 bulletin .:p
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eager_immi
07-18 03:53 PM
It is better to make two trips and do a civil wedding i know it is expensive imagine if she has a work permit u can make up for the cost in no time else she will not be able to work for many many years.
I am in a similar situation getting married in Sep07 and returning with my wife at end of Sep'07. It is little scary, as some say it might be risky not to apply along with the spouse.
Should I go ahead and apply for I485, EAD and AP all three at the same time now, or to apply just for I485?
I am not sure what advantage would be applying now, as I have to wait until the dates become current again, and I will not be able to use my EAD to maintain my wife's H-4 status.
PD: Sep2006
I-140: Approved 06/2007
Thanks
I am in a similar situation getting married in Sep07 and returning with my wife at end of Sep'07. It is little scary, as some say it might be risky not to apply along with the spouse.
Should I go ahead and apply for I485, EAD and AP all three at the same time now, or to apply just for I485?
I am not sure what advantage would be applying now, as I have to wait until the dates become current again, and I will not be able to use my EAD to maintain my wife's H-4 status.
PD: Sep2006
I-140: Approved 06/2007
Thanks
mirchiseth
01-16 10:31 PM
Kudos for the great work. Contributed my $50.00
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Madhuri
09-15 12:02 PM
I agree with Mihir. It is your life and you have to be always plan for the worst case scenarios, especially when we (legal immigrants) do not have any god father.
First and foremost, if you lose a job, it doesn't matter what your immigration status, life is going to become difficult for you and your dependents.
I lost my job in the 7th year of H1 but since I had well researched and planned for that scenerio before entering into the 7th year, I am still here in a new job with an anticipated 3 year extension from 2007-2010.
If a lobor from your previous job has been pending for more than 365 days, you are able to port the benefit of the 7+ year extensions to the new job. This will let you survive the 7th year job loss.
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First and foremost, if you lose a job, it doesn't matter what your immigration status, life is going to become difficult for you and your dependents.
I lost my job in the 7th year of H1 but since I had well researched and planned for that scenerio before entering into the 7th year, I am still here in a new job with an anticipated 3 year extension from 2007-2010.
If a lobor from your previous job has been pending for more than 365 days, you are able to port the benefit of the 7+ year extensions to the new job. This will let you survive the 7th year job loss.
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485Mbe4001
04-16 12:29 PM
i guess the people who are on the fence, thinking, if US doesnt work out i can easily go back to my home country.
(non indians please ignore this part - due apologies)
- desis who spent the formative years of their life here doing -- desigiri-- saved some money to go back, only to find that the money saved is not worth that much anymore.;)
That is life...if you factor in the inflation rate to your 20.8 lakhs...you will realise that it would have been better if you had at least 'enjoyed' your stay here instead of trying to increase the national savings rate.
Maybe now spending that $20 on IV might not sound that bad...after all, these days, its not much in rupees too...2wadas and one chai, thats about it, my friends :mad:
(non indians please ignore this part - due apologies)
- desis who spent the formative years of their life here doing -- desigiri-- saved some money to go back, only to find that the money saved is not worth that much anymore.;)
That is life...if you factor in the inflation rate to your 20.8 lakhs...you will realise that it would have been better if you had at least 'enjoyed' your stay here instead of trying to increase the national savings rate.
Maybe now spending that $20 on IV might not sound that bad...after all, these days, its not much in rupees too...2wadas and one chai, thats about it, my friends :mad:
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eb_retrogession
01-18 12:40 PM
I don't have a paypal account, but I would like to contribute, is there any other way that I can send my money to you?
Thanks.
CWYGC,
you don't need a paypal account. Once you click on the paypal link on the IV homepage, it will give you an option to just use your credit card. That's how I contributed too.
Good Luck :-)
Thanks.
CWYGC,
you don't need a paypal account. Once you click on the paypal link on the IV homepage, it will give you an option to just use your credit card. That's how I contributed too.
Good Luck :-)
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vparam
10-19 01:43 AM
I have been now for 7 years and still waiting... my wife who graudated law with top honors in a top university in india and was pracicing with a leading corporate law firm joined me in US and to make it good we spent around $65K on her law school graduation here and then another 15K on bar exams preparations for NY and CA. She managed to pull through all this. we decided to have a baby and take care of her wihtout day care the 1st 2years. now my wife sits home since she cannot file a H1 though there are willing employers becuase she has stayed here for 6 years on h4 and my llabor filed 2001 was still in BEC.... what can i do... i left a Director job in fortune 50 company and joined as consultant so that i can make use of a pre-approved labor, then another regression happend and i am still waiting to file 485. I just want to let my wife to work for a couple of year and make use of the effort she spent in her US law school and bar exams and want to return back to India.... but when can i get that 2 years.....
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greenkard
03-17 01:55 PM
Thanks for inputs in the forums.
EB3-India cannot be discriminated.
Anyone in EB3 after 2-3 years waiting is qualified under EB2-I. And we see people waiting for much more. How can we be discriminated then. We have to do something.
We are able to get very good number of people with like minds in Edison, NJ and other big cities with big concentration. We are planning to start a drive against this discrimination, in about 2-3 weeks from now. We would like to write to the honorable policitians and processing centers like Texas and others and to USCIS to treat all fairly.
1. EB3 India cannot be treated unfairly, wheras EB3-China is much ahead. Why is this.
2. EB2-India is Feb 2004, wheras EB3 India is Nov 2001 for many years. Why is this.
3. Why are allowing family immigration when skilled immigrants are waiting.
4. Why should greencards be counted head-wise, whereas H visas are not.
5. On the whole, why backlogs and punishing us.
These are the lines in which our group plan to drive this.,send more ideas.
For this we need money and more impo'ly efforts, so please contribute smartly as we request below.
We have teams in all major software hubs like NJ, DC, Livermore, CA, TX, Detroit, and and will need volunteers. We will soon come up with a yahoogroup to communicate.
We plan to send 10,000 letters and other awareness programs letters to the concerned people.
We plan to have our small booths in temples where many people will come.
We will print all the letters, you just need to buy the stamp from us and mail it.
Or give us an envelope with the 42c stamp. We need about 5-10 from you all.. So its will be $5.00 per head. That way there will be no quesiton of transparency. But if you want to donate more, you are welcome, instead we will prefer you put your efforts in creating strenghr and pass the word.
We cannot keep quite like this. There is no reason why EB3-India will move forward in current situations and with current rules.
We know EB2 will be upset, but based on your contribution, we can fight together, else we will go alone. EB3 is big enough to go by itself.
We plan to wear white dress with white caps.. for peace.. So we can be easily spotted. Give us a envelopes and stamps.. or we will give you addresses to send and the document.. As you wish...Or buy the stamps from us and take the printed content from us in free envelopes.
EB3-India cannot be discriminated.
Anyone in EB3 after 2-3 years waiting is qualified under EB2-I. And we see people waiting for much more. How can we be discriminated then. We have to do something.
We are able to get very good number of people with like minds in Edison, NJ and other big cities with big concentration. We are planning to start a drive against this discrimination, in about 2-3 weeks from now. We would like to write to the honorable policitians and processing centers like Texas and others and to USCIS to treat all fairly.
1. EB3 India cannot be treated unfairly, wheras EB3-China is much ahead. Why is this.
2. EB2-India is Feb 2004, wheras EB3 India is Nov 2001 for many years. Why is this.
3. Why are allowing family immigration when skilled immigrants are waiting.
4. Why should greencards be counted head-wise, whereas H visas are not.
5. On the whole, why backlogs and punishing us.
These are the lines in which our group plan to drive this.,send more ideas.
For this we need money and more impo'ly efforts, so please contribute smartly as we request below.
We have teams in all major software hubs like NJ, DC, Livermore, CA, TX, Detroit, and and will need volunteers. We will soon come up with a yahoogroup to communicate.
We plan to send 10,000 letters and other awareness programs letters to the concerned people.
We plan to have our small booths in temples where many people will come.
We will print all the letters, you just need to buy the stamp from us and mail it.
Or give us an envelope with the 42c stamp. We need about 5-10 from you all.. So its will be $5.00 per head. That way there will be no quesiton of transparency. But if you want to donate more, you are welcome, instead we will prefer you put your efforts in creating strenghr and pass the word.
We cannot keep quite like this. There is no reason why EB3-India will move forward in current situations and with current rules.
We know EB2 will be upset, but based on your contribution, we can fight together, else we will go alone. EB3 is big enough to go by itself.
We plan to wear white dress with white caps.. for peace.. So we can be easily spotted. Give us a envelopes and stamps.. or we will give you addresses to send and the document.. As you wish...Or buy the stamps from us and take the printed content from us in free envelopes.
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bkam
03-27 10:43 PM
The problems with the 350,000 GC-candidates are mainly two - BECs inefficiency and lack of enough visa numbers after LC approval. Fighting both issues should be the main goal of IV and have to be presented to the Congress. They are inter-related and should go together.
And, by the way, the problems of the legal immigrants should not be considered as "Indian/Chinese" only, this will not help much. These problems are common for the legal immigrants from many countries and this should be highlighted before the Congress. Do not forget that those congressmen are descendents of immigrants from all over the world, not from India and China only.
And, by the way, the problems of the legal immigrants should not be considered as "Indian/Chinese" only, this will not help much. These problems are common for the legal immigrants from many countries and this should be highlighted before the Congress. Do not forget that those congressmen are descendents of immigrants from all over the world, not from India and China only.
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ufo2002
09-15 12:59 PM
Its very interesting to read about people�s different perspective about same thing we are all after.. lets ask ourselves.. honestly why we do want GC and I am sure we all would have multiple reasons for this in our subconscious but would not like to bring it to forefront because it would only undermine our own ability to fight it or make life more stressful.. but end of the day we all want this card.. for me I want it mainly for security and peace of mind�lets look at the different situations.. these might be extreme but we all might have thought about these situations atleast at some point in the recent past� .. and especially the people in the seventh year
1. You are in your seventh year� and you loose you job�.what is the first thought that comes to your mind.. I got to pack and leave .. pack your home of seven years and all your possessions you collected, in two suitcases of 50lbs each and leave�forget the Flat Screen TV,, forget all the electronics and the two cars you love ... just list them in craigslist �
2. You have home which you bought with so much pride�what do you do? ..List it.. make a desperate sale in this falling market.. loose a ton of money and leave�and don't even talk about all the silk plants..floor lamps.. the furnishing,, they are for the yard sale on the Saturday..
3. You have child whom you love and have plans for them.. love the school.. are an active member in the PTA � all of sudden what you do.. pull them out of school, move them from the only culture and the country they have known the only President they know is Bush and the only national anthem they have learnt is "The Star-Spangled Banner"�to another place where they don�t even understand the language forget the culture, national anthem etc..
4. Think about your spouse.. they have adopted themselves to this lifestyle.. probably felt lonely when you moved here 7 years but now like it.. its time for them to move back�why because your don�t have a GC
5. Forget the Golf and Tennis you enjoy so much here �it was all a very good dream..
1. You are educated.. have a masters, have a professional degree.. but have been in the same position and department because of your long wait for GC, what happens� the fresh college graduate or the dumb blond who joined two years back and whom you taught how to log into the network is now your peer and you are still on the same desk doing the same job getting the 2% raise and working even more hard..so that you can keep you job..with a new dumb boss.. who thinks you are so dumb that you have been in the same job for so long time..
2. All your batchmates are doing great..some of them are now sweating to be VP�s having risen by changing jobs �. You are still years away from that situation.. what do you do.. stop attending alumni meets and envy the mails in your yahoo groups from people..
3. Seven years in US.. you have made your professional contacts.. and have a social network.. in which you invested your time and effort.. loose your job in the seventh year.. and all these contacts are nothing but an occasional international long distance call in future..
Last but not the least� flight back home to your country is not going to be as smooth as the flight to US was seven years back.. back home look for a job..learn the whole new professional culture �and then set up a new home,,new school for kids�.why because we could not get a GC.. which was not in our control.. and because some stupid insane guy sitting in cave 10K miles away decided to terrorize the people in America in 2001.. and make life difficult for all the people..including people in H1...
We might all go back to our home country one day.. but the ride back home would be much more pleasant and happier of a choice we made and not because we did not get a GC�
Good Luck and lets keep up the effort... :)
I just did No. 2!!! Yes, sold my home off recently and now living in apt. I am single and no family so I am more flexible when it comes to leaving the US. Also, because I have been in my field of work for 10 years and feeling a little bored with it and wanna go back to uni to try another field, but don't want to do it in the US in case I lose my job and then have expensive bills to pay.
With that GC, at least I can feel more secure, will have the ability to find a local employer while going to college, etc.
1. You are in your seventh year� and you loose you job�.what is the first thought that comes to your mind.. I got to pack and leave .. pack your home of seven years and all your possessions you collected, in two suitcases of 50lbs each and leave�forget the Flat Screen TV,, forget all the electronics and the two cars you love ... just list them in craigslist �
2. You have home which you bought with so much pride�what do you do? ..List it.. make a desperate sale in this falling market.. loose a ton of money and leave�and don't even talk about all the silk plants..floor lamps.. the furnishing,, they are for the yard sale on the Saturday..
3. You have child whom you love and have plans for them.. love the school.. are an active member in the PTA � all of sudden what you do.. pull them out of school, move them from the only culture and the country they have known the only President they know is Bush and the only national anthem they have learnt is "The Star-Spangled Banner"�to another place where they don�t even understand the language forget the culture, national anthem etc..
4. Think about your spouse.. they have adopted themselves to this lifestyle.. probably felt lonely when you moved here 7 years but now like it.. its time for them to move back�why because your don�t have a GC
5. Forget the Golf and Tennis you enjoy so much here �it was all a very good dream..
1. You are educated.. have a masters, have a professional degree.. but have been in the same position and department because of your long wait for GC, what happens� the fresh college graduate or the dumb blond who joined two years back and whom you taught how to log into the network is now your peer and you are still on the same desk doing the same job getting the 2% raise and working even more hard..so that you can keep you job..with a new dumb boss.. who thinks you are so dumb that you have been in the same job for so long time..
2. All your batchmates are doing great..some of them are now sweating to be VP�s having risen by changing jobs �. You are still years away from that situation.. what do you do.. stop attending alumni meets and envy the mails in your yahoo groups from people..
3. Seven years in US.. you have made your professional contacts.. and have a social network.. in which you invested your time and effort.. loose your job in the seventh year.. and all these contacts are nothing but an occasional international long distance call in future..
Last but not the least� flight back home to your country is not going to be as smooth as the flight to US was seven years back.. back home look for a job..learn the whole new professional culture �and then set up a new home,,new school for kids�.why because we could not get a GC.. which was not in our control.. and because some stupid insane guy sitting in cave 10K miles away decided to terrorize the people in America in 2001.. and make life difficult for all the people..including people in H1...
We might all go back to our home country one day.. but the ride back home would be much more pleasant and happier of a choice we made and not because we did not get a GC�
Good Luck and lets keep up the effort... :)
I just did No. 2!!! Yes, sold my home off recently and now living in apt. I am single and no family so I am more flexible when it comes to leaving the US. Also, because I have been in my field of work for 10 years and feeling a little bored with it and wanna go back to uni to try another field, but don't want to do it in the US in case I lose my job and then have expensive bills to pay.
With that GC, at least I can feel more secure, will have the ability to find a local employer while going to college, etc.
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However, getting a new DL for my wife was a nightmare. We had to schedule an
appointment through a phone line which worked only two or three days in a month! After many tries, we gave up!
However, getting a new DL for my wife was a nightmare. We had to schedule an
appointment through a phone line which worked only two or three days in a month! After many tries, we gave up!
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logiclife
05-29 12:36 PM
I tend to disagrees with your comments, firstly please dont call this a stupid event, as a lot of young students strive to win this competition. In order to lead you have to follow, I have come across some smart ass Indians who love to talk and give directions, but they miss whole chunk of substance in their directions. (I don't mean to target you or disrespect any one else up here).
Your commments on parents motivating their childeren to strive for success in their lives, their is nothing wrong in that, would you rather have them go smoke dope and jerk around to waste their time? I am indian and proud to be, , above all proud that my parents pushed me to excel and do better with the opportunities granted to me.
However it is some desi companies who brought in the trend of lying and faking to get thie ways. But believe me , they dont get much further in their lives. I am glad strict restrictions are imposed on these companies, and the type of consultants they bring on board.
Is it fair that the person doing Masters from this country be put in the same boat as a fresh of boat from India?
Good Luck!
The famous quote is: You can only fool me once!
First of all, you dont have a binary choice in the matter such as either you learn 50,000 words and their spellings or go smoke dope. There is a middle ground here.
Secondly, why do I see in company after company, especially in the knowledge industry that a straight A student, like your Kavya here, working for a manager who had been a B- student who in turn works for an executive who was a C- student ?
Get educated ... that's fine. But dont get over-educated such that you are a cripple who cannot think outside the box. Too much education, too many straight As, too many spellings will make you incapable of thinking outside the box, taking risks. Anyways, that's my belief and my opinion and everyone is free to raise their kids in whatever way they deem fit. I for one, would never ask my 2 children to participate in any spelling bee contest.
As far as your desi company thoughts go, it has nothing to do with spelling bee topic. However, let me tell you this. By being holier than thou and telling other people "I got a degree from here and you dumb asses have never been to an American college, so get lost you idiot, this job here is mine..." does not help anyone. Also, no desi companies put a gun to the head of anyone - Indian educated or US educated - to work for them. And let me remind you, there is AN ENTIRE GENERATION of US educated US masters degree holders who had no job after graduating and have been to a desi company to get trained on the real-world software applications. I am sure you know some people yourself, just as I know some people in that situation. If the US masters degree made them super-duper smart, then they would not be knocking doors of desi companies for education after graduating.
I am no fan of desi companies, everyone here knows that. But don't preach a holier than thou sermon to everyone who doesn't have a US degree. Because your US degree isn't worth a bucket of warm spit when it comes to getting a job.
Your commments on parents motivating their childeren to strive for success in their lives, their is nothing wrong in that, would you rather have them go smoke dope and jerk around to waste their time? I am indian and proud to be, , above all proud that my parents pushed me to excel and do better with the opportunities granted to me.
However it is some desi companies who brought in the trend of lying and faking to get thie ways. But believe me , they dont get much further in their lives. I am glad strict restrictions are imposed on these companies, and the type of consultants they bring on board.
Is it fair that the person doing Masters from this country be put in the same boat as a fresh of boat from India?
Good Luck!
The famous quote is: You can only fool me once!
First of all, you dont have a binary choice in the matter such as either you learn 50,000 words and their spellings or go smoke dope. There is a middle ground here.
Secondly, why do I see in company after company, especially in the knowledge industry that a straight A student, like your Kavya here, working for a manager who had been a B- student who in turn works for an executive who was a C- student ?
Get educated ... that's fine. But dont get over-educated such that you are a cripple who cannot think outside the box. Too much education, too many straight As, too many spellings will make you incapable of thinking outside the box, taking risks. Anyways, that's my belief and my opinion and everyone is free to raise their kids in whatever way they deem fit. I for one, would never ask my 2 children to participate in any spelling bee contest.
As far as your desi company thoughts go, it has nothing to do with spelling bee topic. However, let me tell you this. By being holier than thou and telling other people "I got a degree from here and you dumb asses have never been to an American college, so get lost you idiot, this job here is mine..." does not help anyone. Also, no desi companies put a gun to the head of anyone - Indian educated or US educated - to work for them. And let me remind you, there is AN ENTIRE GENERATION of US educated US masters degree holders who had no job after graduating and have been to a desi company to get trained on the real-world software applications. I am sure you know some people yourself, just as I know some people in that situation. If the US masters degree made them super-duper smart, then they would not be knocking doors of desi companies for education after graduating.
I am no fan of desi companies, everyone here knows that. But don't preach a holier than thou sermon to everyone who doesn't have a US degree. Because your US degree isn't worth a bucket of warm spit when it comes to getting a job.
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ronitm
06-28 12:32 PM
It would be great to have premium processing for 485s instead now that visa nos are available. Now now ... i know thats wishful thinking but think about it-could save a lot of time and money over EAD/AP/FP renewals. But then again hurts their income stream thats why they wont do it :((
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jkays94
04-26 11:07 AM
Excellent job, great article! Just an observation that it may have helped if the article had also mentioned that IV members also come from several other countries.
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EB2-PD May 22, 2006-India-Reached July 2nd, 2007. Checks Not Cashed Yet.
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crystal
08-15 11:51 AM
Congrats for becoming senior member :)
My best guess is whatever the link I gave is valid before AC21 came in , I am not sure about it.
If this is so, how do folks who have used AC21 handle this ?
My best guess is whatever the link I gave is valid before AC21 came in , I am not sure about it.
If this is so, how do folks who have used AC21 handle this ?
svn
04-06 01:30 PM
All those who have voted - thanks for your response so far and agree with the sentiments expressed. For those who have not voted yet, please take the time to log in and vote - YOUR OPINION COUNTS!
Cant help but chuckle on your choice of words - DONORS = CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS.
So, others who volunteer their time, ideas ... are not CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS if they haven't paid 25 dollars in March ( since DONOR status started from March and 25 dollars is what is required to be a DONOR )
I am afraid, you are missing the point here - I did not intend to start a discussion on who counts as a "Donor". There have been several discussions on that topic and IV Core has laid out guidelines (if I am not mistaken, they have made attempts to go back and include folks who have contributed money in the past as well). Instead my focus is on how to increase "dollar contributions" towards our cause since as IV Core has clearly identified, nothing moves in Washington unless you have a strong lobby working for you, and as we all know, lobbying takes a significant amount of money. What I am interested in is simply - will you contribute dollars if, in exchange, you receive regular updates?
From a person who is in senior management position I'd expected better choices of words. Now on to your point of more regular updates -- let me ask you this - do you give weekly updates to your subordinates every week ? Do you share your strategy plans every week ? I believe whenever their is a material update to be shared, IV core will share it - predicting the frequency of it OR assuming that you will get an update every X days and see a progress is not a good practical idea.
Since you ask - the answer is YES. Not sure if you have heard of the "Servant Leadeship" but that is a management philosophy that believes an organization makes the most progress when the "leaders" at the top take the attitude of being "Servants" to those below them. The idea is based on the simple premise that people are more engaged and motivated to work when their boss listens to them and takes the trouble to keep them updated on what is going on. Instead, "Leaders" can always take the "high and mighty" road where they look down upon those below them (for various reasons - lack of trust being just one of them) but that is never going to be as effective or efficient as the former model I just mentioned. Don't take it from me though - feel free to do your own research on this topic and you will find that an increasing number of companies are starting to adopt this philosophy in order to achieve superior results and you don't have to look far to see how this is being practised in the world of politics today (President Obama).
Finally, IV has clearly positioned itself as a grassroots organization, but by articulating a philosophy of "we will share updates when we feel like it and think its appropriate for you to know about it", it is essentially operating in a somewhat "elitist" manner (though I believe, this is a purely a side-effect of it's loose structure, rather than intentional in any way). This also explains some of the questions coming up on the poll on "who constitutes the Core?" - while the website has a listing of the "Core" members, I believe some of that has morphed over time leading to the loose structure of today.
All I am really advocating is more transparency ...which should lead to more involvement as well. Thanks for your time.
Cant help but chuckle on your choice of words - DONORS = CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS.
So, others who volunteer their time, ideas ... are not CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS if they haven't paid 25 dollars in March ( since DONOR status started from March and 25 dollars is what is required to be a DONOR )
I am afraid, you are missing the point here - I did not intend to start a discussion on who counts as a "Donor". There have been several discussions on that topic and IV Core has laid out guidelines (if I am not mistaken, they have made attempts to go back and include folks who have contributed money in the past as well). Instead my focus is on how to increase "dollar contributions" towards our cause since as IV Core has clearly identified, nothing moves in Washington unless you have a strong lobby working for you, and as we all know, lobbying takes a significant amount of money. What I am interested in is simply - will you contribute dollars if, in exchange, you receive regular updates?
From a person who is in senior management position I'd expected better choices of words. Now on to your point of more regular updates -- let me ask you this - do you give weekly updates to your subordinates every week ? Do you share your strategy plans every week ? I believe whenever their is a material update to be shared, IV core will share it - predicting the frequency of it OR assuming that you will get an update every X days and see a progress is not a good practical idea.
Since you ask - the answer is YES. Not sure if you have heard of the "Servant Leadeship" but that is a management philosophy that believes an organization makes the most progress when the "leaders" at the top take the attitude of being "Servants" to those below them. The idea is based on the simple premise that people are more engaged and motivated to work when their boss listens to them and takes the trouble to keep them updated on what is going on. Instead, "Leaders" can always take the "high and mighty" road where they look down upon those below them (for various reasons - lack of trust being just one of them) but that is never going to be as effective or efficient as the former model I just mentioned. Don't take it from me though - feel free to do your own research on this topic and you will find that an increasing number of companies are starting to adopt this philosophy in order to achieve superior results and you don't have to look far to see how this is being practised in the world of politics today (President Obama).
Finally, IV has clearly positioned itself as a grassroots organization, but by articulating a philosophy of "we will share updates when we feel like it and think its appropriate for you to know about it", it is essentially operating in a somewhat "elitist" manner (though I believe, this is a purely a side-effect of it's loose structure, rather than intentional in any way). This also explains some of the questions coming up on the poll on "who constitutes the Core?" - while the website has a listing of the "Core" members, I believe some of that has morphed over time leading to the loose structure of today.
All I am really advocating is more transparency ...which should lead to more involvement as well. Thanks for your time.
NWISE
05-27 06:17 PM
Interesting... someone doesn't like my post. Just wondering if it's those Anties?
Didn't think my suggestion was that good that it merit your attention ;)
Just so you know... I don't give two hoots for those red dots but thought I'll let you know: we're slow to get together but eventually we'll roll all over you :p
Didn't think my suggestion was that good that it merit your attention ;)
Just so you know... I don't give two hoots for those red dots but thought I'll let you know: we're slow to get together but eventually we'll roll all over you :p
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